Friday, August 8, 2025

Spiritual Abuse part 1


Recently I joined a group on FB that is specifically for people who have worked in ministry in our denomination (mostly missionaries in the US or in other countries)  There are also some others who have shared stories about being on staff  at different churches in the US  and how they were exploited and abused in various ways.  This group shares stories of spiritual abuse.  Many in the group worked for specific ministries within our denomination.  Their stories are all so very eerily similar  that it is shocking.  For many this is the first time they've openly shared their stories.  I/we have definitely been in ministerial/ missionary  positions and have been abused or mistreated.  I'm going to share some of the things that have happened to me over the years.  Some would say I shouldn't share things because it makes the church or God look bad.  Well the Church (world wide) needs to teach people not to abuse others!  The Church and I mean ALL denominations need to step up and deal with people who are mistreating staff or congregations!  This does not make God look bad no more than stories in the Bible about men/leaders who fell and did wrong.  Those stories like Adam/Eve Cain/Abel King David....they are real stories about people who knew God and still decided to sin.  Not God's fault but the stories are not whitewashed they are in scripture as a warning to others.  The Bible spills the tea on its' saints from Peter denying Christ to Paul writing to the church in Corinth that was allowing incestous relationships.  Paul even called out Demas who "loved this world" and left Paul.  What if your only mention in the bible is because you left God.....???  Anyway I'm not naming names but this is my story and it shaped me in many ways.  I'm planning on writing several blogs regarding church abuse.  


The first time it happened to me was when I was a college intern. I worked at a church in  the inner city of NYC during the summer of 1986.  From the moment I got there with my blond hair sweet spirit and too many suitcases some staff made it their life goal to belittle and demean me.  Some of it was jealousy - there were some other volunteers who were probably sent there with the hope it would help them spiritually.  Others thought they were super spiritual and so busy for Jesus that everyone must live up to their standards and a few others were working to catch the pastor's eye....

Now let me tell you back then I just loved everyone and wanted to be friends especially with people who were in ministry.  We were on the same team!  Go Jesus! Having grown up in church I was not naive to the fact people fussed in church!  I grew up in a wonderful but very very unhealthy church.  We went through pastors like you wouldn't believe.  One guy only stayed 4 months...and he had cutest son who was on the football team.  That was so sad to me!  But I didn't think people in front line ministry on the streets of NYC would behave like that.... Oh Boy!
















View from my apartment











So the first day I got there the girl I was to room with threw a fit.  She didn't want a roommate.  But her room had a bunk bed so we were roommates.  She was ugly to me all summer (and ugly to boot) I soon learned there was a hierarchy in the apartment and with volunteers staff etc....even group had a hierarchy and I was on the lowest rung.  That didn't really bother me I was there to serve and there were a couple of people that were just wonderful and I spent all free time with them.  Sometimes we even got to work together which was the best!

So even though I was shocked at the unchristlike  attitudes I was still thrilled to be there.  The day I got there I went out on a bus route to invite kids and families to the different services.  It was so exciting!  There I was in the inner city of the largest city in America doing ministry!!!  The bus windows were down it was summertime and as we are going down the street a brick was thrown through the window. and hit me!  Welcome to NYC....

My first job was to answer phones.  Well that was simple...then the really strange things started happening.  There was so much tension between the pastor and his wife.  I did not know how to deal with it.  They had a young child who obviously had some type of mental issues the kind of issues that comes from trauma.  I just didn't talk to people (except the people that called in) that was the easiest safest thing.  But the pastor started noticing me.... and giving me assignments.  He meant to 'break" me by having me clean the bathrooms.  But I like to clean and it was much easier to clean the bathrooms by myself than to be around others.  But then he began coming in the bathrooms to "help' me and talk to me.  I was only 20 years old and at that time respected any minister.  Looking back I realize I really dodged a bullet!  Because I was too naive to think a minster was hitting on me I did not respond to anything he said to me things I realized later was very inappropriate.  For example asking me about my love life while he and I are alone in a huge building in a bathroom...  Come on man!  THEN a staff member with whom he was having some type of inappropriate relationship began hating on me.  Another staff member sat me down and told me!  I was shocked and asked why he wasn't dealt with.  She did not have an answer.  

There was so many weird things that happened, half truths unhealthy undercurrents strange rules-I was told I had to put any cash I had into the church's safe.  Then I had to request it when I wanted it and tell the secretary what I was going to use the money for!  That was very odd!  Weekly I visited my section of the city ALONE!  I literally was dropped off with flyers into the inner city and told to meet back in a few hours at a spot.  I would walk from tenement building to the projects all alone.  No cell phone remember this was the 80's  Supposebly other staff had been raped and one killed but yet we were sent out alone.  Now at the time it did not bother me because I do good alone but as an adult and a pastor's wife I can not believe a ministry showed such disregard for staff!  

The minister told lies all the time.  He'd make up stories about ministry successes, attendance, growth and even persecution of staff.  He'd make up stories about things that happened to him.  Full time staff would even joke about his lies and roll their eyes.

There was so much stuff going on I can't even write it all.  Some things were directed at me and some at other staff..I did my time and gladly went home! 

When I got back to SEU in the fall I met with my college professor who was over all the missionary interns.  I adored and respected him.  When I got to my appointment with him I knew he'd help me make sense of everything I had experienced.  At that point I had told no one the details because it was so awful. As I started to share with him, he stopped me.  He left the room and came back with another professor.  He then began to explain he'd brought the other guy in on our conversation because he wanted a witness.  Then he proceeded to YELL at me! His response hurt me so much more than anything that had happened in NYC.   He quoted Psalms 105:15  "Touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm."  He said I was lying/exaggerating and if I were to tell anyone he'd see that I was taken out of my ministry position on campus.  He even made me feel like he was threatening that I'd be kicked out of college!  He also told me I was in sin.  To say I was shocked was an understatement.  I basically accepted what he said and apologized.  I promised not to tell anyone and I didn't until after I was married.  I remember telling Jon this story with much more details and he was flabbergasted.  He'd heard the man speak before and was greatly moved by his sermon to give your all to Jesus.  He believed me because he knew I wouldn't lie but it shocked him.  


BTW that man was finally outed a few years later, his wife divorced him (he lies about it all the time) he somehow kept his ministry but not in the same denomination.  Now his ministry is "world wide"

I have found it hard to speak against this man/ministry publicly - not because I think he's godly or truthful but because I have some dear older friends who have been involved in his life and love him.  I don't want to hurt them.  Part of my mind says "well some people have come to Jesus because of him" so at least he's helping out.  But then the normal part of my mind says he's a harden lying sinful man who probably rakes in money and makes up stories.  I've looked at his facebook page and he's "all over the world" with crazy stories that I KNOW are a bunch of made up lies!  In fact I just checked it out today and all of the last few entries absolutely have to be 100% made up lies.  Because these scenarios happened in countries where there is war or natural disasters no one can actually follow up on the so called ministries.  He talks about some countries I happen to know quite well and I am positive he is not involved in those countries in any way whatsoever and I doubt he's ever stepped foot in those countries!  It's sick!  I just have to remind myself one day if I am correct he will stand before God for the lies he has told to thousands of people.  

So why rehash all of this?  Does it bring glory to God?  For so long that's been a reoccuring theme in the church world to cover up wrong doings so it doesn't reflect badly on God.  But is that really the right thing to do?  I understand if a person falls into sin and repents and makes it right privately to the ones he or she has hurt then it should stay private BUT when you are in ministry you do have a higher responsibility level.  AND that scares me as a pastor's wife!  I'm not always right and certainly not always in the right spirit LOL but I'm going to try and do right by the church!  Because of this man (and other's) exaggerations I tend to go the opposite direction in order to be truthful and open.

And I"ll probably write about this again but there is a difference between spiritual abuse and a disagreement in church ministry.  There are times when someone may not agree with a pastor or minister on a subject and there is a heated discussion - we have had a few.  But that's not spiritual abuse that's a disagreement.  SA is something that is a constant belittling, infantilizing or guilt tripping. Spiritual abuse can also be putting burdens on people that are things not mentioned in scripture..  For example in the church my husband got saved in they had a HUGE emphasis or tithing your time to the Lord.  What that meant was a person should give 10% of their day to Jesus - So 2.40 hours of each day. That time should be used for prayer and bible study maybe witnessing.  I can tell you that was a HUGE source of disagreement when we got married!  I thought it was cult like behavior.  The church and that movement because it's still in some circles takes a good thing and puts so many laws and requirements on it that it becomes unattainable then the person falls into despair with guilt and feels unworthy.  Some of the missionaries that I've recently read their stories had that requirement and were shamed if they did not meet that goal daily.  My husband had to work through that false requirement to see that it was a man made rule.  It was incredibly unhealthy!


 Unfortunately Spiritual abuse can also have a component of physical or sexual abuse too,I've heard some awful stories lately about that too.  


 Spiritual abuse is  not church discipline.  There has been a few times in ministry where we've have had to deal with people who were in life controlling sins those situations had to be dealt with.  We did not try and control them but they could not be in leadership and continue in those sins.  

I've always talked about BALANCE if anything that's what the church world (and I can only speak to the evangelical/Pentecostal folks because that's where I hang my hat)  But Lord we are absolutely insane and UNbalanced so much of the time.  I do realize it comes from a place of wanting to give our all to the Lord.  But we tend to heap on burdens on people rather than letting God convict people as they grow in God's grace.  For example the Ten Commandments that literally came down from God is good- but things like "Courting" (if you don't know that's basically the rule that a couple "courts" not dates and no time alone and no kissing till marriage)  While that teaching probably came from a good hearted place to help folks stay pure until they marry it's gone overboard and so many folks have suffered from it.  It mostly affected young people and many of them married people they barely knew.  The opposite extreme that we see in the world is just as bad.  Of course the bible teaches us not to engage in sexual immorality.  We need to just listen to the bible that tells us to stay pure but doesn't say we can't go out to lunch with different people without committing to marry them from day one!  


For years I've spoken about the crucial lessons that bible colleges often overlook.  One of the most important is teaching young ministers how to recognize and respond to spiritual abuse when they themselves are the victims.  Equally--if not more--important is equipping them with the wisdom and humility to ensure they never become the ones inflicting that abuse on others.  

There are many thoughts going around in my mind and I'm sure I'll be sharing more later!  Thanks for reading my blog and I love the sweet comments I've been getting!  Thank you!







































 

Sunday, August 3, 2025

MY REAL LIFE BY YVONNE

Blogging Again… After 16 Years

When I first started blogging back in 2009, the internet felt like a much kinder, gentler place. Sixteen years later, it’s a whole different world—louder, harsher, and honestly, a lot less forgiving.

So why come back? Simple: I love to write. And this space is where I can leave pieces of my life for my kids, grandkids, and whoever else happens to wander in.

Friends keep pushing me to write a book—and maybe one day I will—but blogging has always felt different. It’s less formal, more “me.” Truthfully, when I can’t sleep, I often write entire blogs in my head. Funny thing is, those midnight drafts sound amazing… and then I fall asleep before I can type a word!

What Will I Write About?

There’s a lot on my mind, but much of it is controversial. Sure, I could stick to recipes, travel stories, or thrifting adventures (and I love those things), but let’s be real… that’s not all I have to say.

Sometimes I joke that I’ll write blogs to be published after I’m gone—so I can be completely honest without losing friends. If I wrote all my thoughts now, I might not have many left!

Does What I Say Really Matter?

Probably not much—except to my family and a few close friends. And maybe not even then! But I’m going to write anyway. I feel like I’ve gathered a lot of wisdom over the years (whether I always use it or not is another story!).

One thing I’ve learned is how to read people and situations. I’m no prophetess, but it doesn’t take me long to see how things are likely to turn out. When I say, “I’ve got a feeling about this…”—my family hates it, because I’m usually right.

When I was younger, I felt guilty for being “negative.” Now? Zero guilt.

A Little About Me Now

Here’s the truth: I’m a cynical person. You’d never guess that by looking at me, but that’s because no one can read my mind! My trust level with the general public is almost nonexistent, and honestly, a lot of that comes from my years in ministry.

So “My Real Life by Yvonne” might not always sound hopeful, but it will be real. After the past 16 years of highs and lows, I still have my ultimate hope in God—but day to day? I’m just plodding along, praying for no new disasters. At this stage in life, I’m happy when we make it through a month with:
✔ No hospital visits
✔ No car accidents
✔ No major repair bills

That’s where I’m at. Just being real.

So… stick around if you want. It might get interesting.






Friday, August 1, 2025

Recap of 2025 thus far......

 Well I got y'all up to 2025 with a little back track to Hurricane Milton.  Thus far this year has been ok we've had a few medical issues (of course we have) Sarah was in the hospital 2x for her tummy issues and is not quite right.  Jon gave us a scare and had to have a heart cath.  Thankfully it was clear/stable.  Shad moved into his own apartment with a roommate and has decorated it nicely (in a manly way) 



Molly out with me she loves to go!












Easter 2025











Sam often goes with me to see Selah







one of my favorite places in the world.  








Baby has quite a story I'll tell it sometime.  Right now he is in the teen years and driving us crazy lol





Pray for this boy!



I hate the motorcycle but he does look good on it!  He loves to ride



One of our caregivers was happy to work the 4th of July so we got to go out with just the "big kids" 
When a family has special needs children they have to make sure they still connect with their other children.  I will say Steve and Shad have always been so very understanding and I appreciate them for that.  But we always like to carve out time with all of them.  

This is the infamous Olive Garden where Jon and I had our first date almost 36 years ago!  Boy we had NO idea of all the times we'd take our growing family there days in the future:)



Then on to the movies where the dinosaurs made me scream and jump 




When we got home Sam demanded his daddy time :)  He is all about going out. 




Onwards to Taco Bell



Sarah was not feeling good that day but she posed a little for me




she had just got out of the hospital  Thankfully she had a turn around from that day forward.  She has had issues because of the malrotation of her small intestines and the slow mobility of her digestive system    That night I called her doctor and he offered to put her back in the hospital for the 3 rd time or letting me do a colon cleanse.  I hated to put her back in but I wasn't looking forward to the colon cleanse but we did and and survived.  It was the right thing to do and she has been better since then.







Epcot while Jon had a conference in Orlando









Then a summer cruise with my bestie and her hubby








It was hot as hades!

We took a cab into town and saw the local church




Then we walked down to the beach- see the ship in the background.... well just to the left of the picture there was a pipe coming out of the bank and raw sewage was pouring out.  the smell was horrible.  The worse thing was that up by the ship there is swimming and back behind us were several beach clubs!  So do not go swimming at Costa Maya!




Cozumel was better we walked some and got a cab to see the churches.  























We've stopped at both locations several times but either we had a exercision planned or we stayed on the ship.  But Jon and I like to explore off the beaten path.  It's a little cray but we see things most tourists don't see.  Usually it's magical but the raw sewage was an eye opener (and nose opener)  I'm never going swimming in places where I do not know what is around it!  









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Tuesday, July 29, 2025

Hurricane Milton

 So my plans were to share about our Hurricane Milton experience but.....my son and daughter in love are on an Alaskan cruise and tonight are in the passage way between Vancouver BC and Ketchikan Alaska.  Thankfully my son just called and said the captain has reassured them that they are safe and will stay in deep waters until the danger is passed.....I still want them to sleep in their life jackets!  


Natural disasters are so hard to deal with and it seems like there have been so many that have affected the world and my world in the last few years.  Living in Florida we know all about hurricanes.  I have NO idea how many hurricanes I've lived through at this point but Hurricane Milton was rough

If you've never experienced a hurricane, it's basically like being stalked by a turtle.  You know it's coming but things change sometimes hourly.  2004 was a year etched into my memory—a year of relentless storms. We faced not just one, but three direct hits from hurricanes. On top of that, we had to make an unforgettable journey: driving through a hurricane to get to an important doctor’s appointment in Miami.

The first storm, Hurricane Charley, was predicted to be a monster. All the reports warned it would come straight up Tampa Bay and deliver a devastating blow to Tampa. We prepared for the worst.  When the alert came, we packed what we could and decided to stay with my brother-in-law for safety. Sam was a newborn then, and making sure he had everything he needed was my top priority. I ran to the store for extra medication, hoping I had time.

By the time I returned, the forecast had shifted dramatically. Instead of slamming Tampa, Charley veered south and hit the Arcadia area. While we experienced heavy rain and fierce winds, the catastrophic damage we’d braced for never came.

Little did we know—this was just the beginning. We would face two more hurricanes and have to drive to Miami for an eye emergency while they prepared for a direct hit of a hurricane 4 Ivan.  Thankfully it did not hit Miami as predicated.  


So we've been through it!  When we first started hearing about Milton, we were concerned, but not overly worried. Our older boys decided to stay at their homes but planned to come to our house if they lost electricity since we had a generator. Before the storm hit, they came over and helped us prepare the yard and secure the house. Honestly, we didn’t expect much.

Still, I was nervous—it would just be my husband, myself, and the little ones, Sam and Sarah.

When the storm began, everything seemed manageable. Our yard was dry; there was no water in sight. But as night fell, the situation changed drastically. By midnight, water was lapping against our front porch and the south side of the house.

Then came a heart-pounding moment: we had to rescue our chickens during the worst of the storm, opening their cages to give them a fighting chance to escape if they needed to.

By 2 a.m., the water had reached our house. Waves—actual waves—rolled toward us. We still had electricity thanks to the generator, but that didn’t calm the dread. At one point, we laid out sheets, planning to wrap Sam and Sarah so we could pull them up into the attic if things got worse.

Thankfully, around 3 a.m., the water stopped rising, and the rain eased. We collapsed into bed around 4 a.m., exhausted.

Morning brought a new shock: our neighborhood was submerged. We couldn’t leave for 3 or 4 days. Cell service was spotty. Our sons tried to reach us but couldn’t get through the flooded roads. It was a sobering experience—a reminder of nature’s power.

We were left with damage to our roof, our fence, and our front porch. But many people in our town were much more affected than we wee!


Most of these pictures were about 2 days after the hurricane!  They are a bit mixed up with time frame


I literally put lawn chairs in the chicken pen so they could get out as the water was so high.  T



After the water receded we found our fence was literally pull apart!


my son took this from town lol  Jon and Sam love Taco Bell




our road





Literally the side of the house with standing water.  You can see the water line



outside Sam's window



outside Sarah's window







church

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the river bridge












Alot of what looks like grass is leaves from the trees. the WAter was still up to the house!





you can see the water line on the gas tank


About a week after the hurricane my son's job sent a trailer full of supplies to our town.  Our church worked with another church to distribute it all  


my friend Christy and I took supplies to people and this is a picture of us STUCK in the mud on my road!!!

We were still smiling and a "good ole boy"  pulled us out!




 I am trying to post videos but it's not working.

After almost a year our home and church still have damage.  We are dealing with flood and regular insurance on our house and church.  I think we will be getting payment from the flood insurance soon but the roof is another matter.  We are all hoping for no hurricanes this year!